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Shakti · Feb 19, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

"For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind."

This thread has reached its critical mass. Time to close it.

QFT well said. All this is doing is promoting the PvP vs PvE crap. Can't we all just get along? Or at least just shut up about it?

Mohnzh · Feb 19, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

So, I only PvE. For the most part, I would agree with the criticisms that PvPers offer: PvE is grindfest and those that bash PvP are just QQing because they aren't good enough.

I think PvP is a great part of the game, yet I've never done it. I noticed that when I am in parties, I generally load a good 30seconds to a minute after everyone else. Being a monk, wouldn't that seriously hurt a PvP match? maybe there is a delay before the match begins that would solve that...but I remember loading a Fort Aspenwood match over a minute after it started. Doesn't it have a wait time too? As to PvE, I tend to agree with the other PvErs. If you like it, it isn't grind. If you are having fun, even if it involves repetition, it isn't grind. I don't even have the opportunity to play enough to get good at PvP, even if I wanted to. They update skills enough that I might get into about a dozen matches before things change up (I seriously have that few long chunks of time to play matches, get feedback, adjust, and try again with the same team). Furthermore, as someone else said, I don't play video games for the competition factor. I am a very non-competitive person. Not because I'm no good, I'm just not competitive. I love to play chess, and am very good. I like to play weaker players and not pay attention to give them opportunity to beat me and learn. As they get better, I play better so they can learn more. I love ultimate frisbee, but am mediocre at best. I play games for the enjoyment, not the competition. PvP seems purely competitive, but I can get more enjoyment out of the relaxed PvE gameplay. Maybe I'm not good enough to PvP. Probably true. I'm okay with that. But that isn't what keep me away from PvP. Nor are the people acting like jerks. That's just life. Good luck finding a place where you can avoid that. And as many have pointed out, criticism is something that is good for you, regardless of how it was intended.

As to the OP, GW has become dichotomous and you may join either community you wish. My recommendation, try both. Be patient with both. you WILL find a friendly, supportive community on both sides of the fence.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 19, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

People say,"I don't want to have to deal with arrogant eleven year-olds, etc."
However, people inextricably bring their personalities and behaviours into games, especially mmo-type games.

Lock this thread if you will, but there remain certain facts that remain solidly true.

One of these facts is that experience in PvP will give you better knowledge of the game and the mechanics behind it, and make you into a better player.

Experience in PvE will not; it will teach you to formulate a specific strategy/gimmick to conquer something if it is not already conquerable by your baseline build.

Some people just want to play and have a good time without making it a second job. Those that want to take the time to learn every little game mechanic, good for them. For one side to belittle the others game skills is just wrong and ignorant. Why not just let everyone play the games as they want without constant sniping at each other.

Hell Raiser · Feb 19, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Some people just want to play and have a good time without making it a second job. Those that want to take the time to learn every little game mechanic, good for them. For one side to belittle the others game skills is just wrong and ignorant. Why not just let everyone play the games as they want without constant sniping at each other.

omg /threadwin imo

Why is this thread even still open? It's been a flame fest for a couple of pages.

Buster · Feb 19, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

Started out purely as being promoted as a pvp centric game then pvers got hardmode after 2 years. Then people got titles and EOTN. To me it doesn't matter if people want to call this a pvp or pve game. The simple fact was that Guild Wars needed more things for people to do and it got just that.

Kyp Jade · Feb 19, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

So should I tell blatant lies about what I see instead?

There are pugs forming in the Deep and DoA. As well as Temple of Ages.

PvE is much bigger than PvP so everything is more spread out.

There are probably some R9's that IWAY/buy all their fame. Just cause a couple people do it legit doesn't mean everyone does.

Your guild might be one that doesn't stand for trash talking, but there's plenty more out there that stand for it, even encourage it.

I suggest standing in HA ID1, and saying that rank doesn't mean anything

Ok, take my post apart and reply to each bit. It still does not make my argument any less valid.

And you go stand in HA id1, you will see loads of glf N/Rt r6/9+ etc etc etc. Do you know what kind of people play thumperway? PvE people that farm the rank so they can have a shiny emote. No pvp player will want to play these builds, for the simple fact that these builds are lousy for making fame. Sure you can win the first three maps with them. After that your kind of hosed because your one dimensional build cannot perform well. PvE players have no problem with this method of 'grinding' the fame out, because they are accustomed to grinding for stuff they want. Its just how they play.

Do you know that any team worth playing in, whatever the build, will take anyone that can prove they have brains and some form of pvp experience? These are the teams that get past maps like unholy temples. These are the players you so blatantly throw into the same group as the thumperway farmers. This is about 1/5 of the side of the game your just flaming away at.

Tell me, are you mad at us because you cant do well in a thumperway group? No reason to take it out on me or people such as Snow Bunney

Van Goghs Ear · Feb 19, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

If you are a player who is interested in getting into GvG and you've never done it before and you're scarred of being humiliated, or what not, then I seriously recommend taking a look at this guild:

Kisu

It's a guild started by Billiard that is designed to teach new players how to GvG. Now the main guild is for people who at least have experience with GvG, but the secondary guild I believe is for anyone. It gives you an opportunity to play with players who have experience with high end GvG and to learn from them in a risk free/rage free environment. You'll also get to learn current builds within the meta and why some builds are better than others and why they're used.

GvG is just sooo much fun if you give it a chance, and if you're at all interested, consider looking into this. If you're not, then ignore.

Personally I think Anet is unintentionally responsible for creating a rift and making it very difficult to access GvG for beginners. Don't get me wrong they've done some amazing work, but there have been some issues along the way (obviously). I think more accessibility to the ladder (meaning the ladder not just showing top 1000), more stats (ie. being able to see your record against individual guilds win/loss, etc) and just things in general that would help players to see their progression in GvG (aside from champ points which is difficult for the average player to access). Also leaving all the dead guilds on the ladder for so long made it very difficult for young guilds to see any progression, and took at least 10 wins just to get themselves on the ladder.

Anyways remember folks, good high end PvP =/= HA.

Nevin · Feb 19, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

This is comical. This thread has met its climax... You see everyones generalizing but based off of this thread I can say one thing. The hardcore PvPer's are one in the same with the hardcore PvEr's, they are the minority of the GW player basis. Because quite frankly the majority doesn't really give a crap if GW is PvP or PvE or if one is better then the other, they dabble a bit until they find the one they truly like- and guess what! they're so pleased with the content they're playing, that they're too busy having fun to come onto a forum and impose their beliefs on other players. Maybe thats just how hardcore players have their fun, sounds a bit like the spanish inquisition if you ask me, with out the leather whips of course.

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Originally Posted by Van Goghs Ear

If you are a player who is interested in getting into GvG and you've never done it before and you're scarred of being humiliated, or what not, then I seriously recommend taking a look at this guild:

Kisu

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Taurucis · Feb 19, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

Ok, take my post apart and reply to each bit. It still does not make my argument any less valid.

Actually I do it to avoid the "great big wall of text" issue but whatever.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

And you go stand in HA id1, you will see loads of glf N/Rt r6/9+ etc etc etc. Do you know what kind of people play thumperway? PvE people that farm the rank so they can have a shiny emote. No pvp player will want to play these builds, for the simple fact that these builds are lousy for making fame. Sure you can win the first three maps with them. After that your kind of hosed because your one dimensional build cannot perform well. PvE players have no problem with this method of 'grinding' the fame out, because they are accustomed to grinding for stuff they want. Its just how they play.

I don't really know/care about what people play in HA these days, I used to but I don't anymore. I'm a PvE player and I have a problem of grinding fame. Why? It's boring. I don't care for verbal abuse from both teams when I lose.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

Do you know that any team worth playing in, whatever the build, will take anyone that can prove they have brains and some form of pvp experience? These are the teams that get past maps like unholy temples. These are the players you so blatantly throw into the same group as the thumperway farmers. This is about 1/5 of the side of the game your just flaming away at.

If you open five boxes and get nothing, why should you expect that the last box should have something in it?

You can't tell how mature a group will be when you join.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

Tell me, are you mad at us because you cant do well in a thumperway group? No reason to take it out on me or people such as Snow Bunney

Actually, I haven't HA'ed in a while, neither do I plan to. I don't enjoy HA very much, I already have my r3 emote, I don't really need to get any more. I haven't played thumperway before, neither would I really care to.

Celestial_Kitsune · Feb 19, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Kyp Jade, all your points are very valid and have no generalizations whatsoever >.>

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

Odd that grouping in PvE is worse than grouping in PvP. In PvP at least there are pugs forming in HA/TA. In PvE you dont even see that for 99% of the game.

PvE players have no problem with this method of 'grinding' the fame out, because they are accustomed to grinding for stuff they want. Its just how they play.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Feb 19, 2008, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

QFT
Thus, PvP condescension towards PvE'ers unwilling to put forth the same efforts is natural.

No, because people who don't want to PVP, would be forced to do something they'd have no fun doing, in order to gain the respect of people who don't give it back.

So, in truth, you want respect, give it.

Stockholm · Feb 19, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

Why is this thread even still open? It's been a flame fest for a couple of pages.

There is a few in the thread that are friends/guildbuddys with mod's, thats why. Should have been closed before it reached page 2.

This proberbly cost me a permaban from Guru.

Bryant Again · Feb 19, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

...Must I really spell it out...

I was sharing my personal experience - and the personal experience was about most of the PvPers that I've met are trash talkers. I did not say that all PvPers are like that. I am saying that the ones I met are rude and immature. Understand it now?

You sure didn't specifiy back here:

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

You probably don't know many PvPers.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

They become trash talkers when they become top PvPers, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Yeah, but in PvE you can just map away, zone into the district, turn off chat... with PvP you'll have to face the same egomaniacs over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

It's not confined to PvP. It's mostly in PvP.

This is coming from a 95% PvEr: Please don't make such broad comments.

Taurucis · Feb 19, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You sure didn't specifiy back here:

This is coming from a 95% PvEr: Please don't make such broad comments.

..Well, I just did, happy? -.-

Kowtowing to the elitists won't earn you anything. Except for verbal abuse.

pakhavit · Feb 19, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

100% pve and 100% pvp xD

you go with both 100% till you max all pve/pvp title ! xD

Bryant Again · Feb 19, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Kowtowing to the elitists won't earn you anything. Except for verbal abuse.

And you'd be the one to know, right?

Also, it's not that I'm "siding with the 'elitists'" rather that I'm not siding with a prejudiced player.

Taurucis · Feb 19, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And you'd be the one to know, right?

Also, it's not that I'm "siding with the 'elitists'" rather that I'm not siding with a prejudiced player.

I've seen people ingame try to do some serious ass kissing, they only get laughed at and ignored.

From my experience, most PvPers, bar some, more or less, probably, they might be extremely, or perhaps less, prejudiced against the PvEers.

Bryant Again · Feb 19, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

From my experience, most PvPers, bar some, more or less, probably, they might be extremely, or perhaps less, prejudiced against the PvEers.

I know an equal amount of PvErs prejudiced against PvPers. See where this is going?

Taurucis · Feb 19, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

See where this is going?

I'd say.

Bryant Again · Feb 19, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Close. I'm saying that neither of us can give a full, definite view of either community because we have no right. Everyone has different gaming experiences, hence different opinions and conclusions of each community.